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Ok lets forget the birth rate i know that its unfair to mention that .,,.but islam still the largest (through conversion) , there are 6 million muslims in america and 50% of them where born there

 

why is the immigration rate so high

 

well first of all the reason of immigration from arab countries is Economical and political , Take this example : mexico , china , india , are non-muslim countries but still the immigration rate is high in those countries

 

and about most islamic countries are Third-world countries ... its mainly because of the corrupted goverment ,there are efforts to change politics in Muslim countries to become more democratic and just and the human rights reports, shows how much opposition there is , The this situation in the Muslim countries is - to a certain extent - a result of Western colonialism , as you know all these countries where colonized in the 19th centuriy till the middle of the 20th , so that why it takes a time till a big impact happens ,,, but yes they're also having probloms of sick mentalities and fanatical so-called muslims ...

 

Islam advocates the right to voice your view, seek knowledge and pursue a profession. The Qur'an commands Muslims to decide their affairs by mutual discussion and consensus. Within Islam, each individual is accountable for himself or herself and all are equal before God

As for tyranny, it is abhorrent to Islam. This is although it may sound surprising, as most Muslims today seem passive. The present situation in the Muslim world is - to a certain extent - a result of Western colonialism and Machiavellian power games. Like everyone else, Muslims everywhere do want a larger say in their affairs. Those in the West may be more successful in this. Then, in this way, the West proves to be closer in spirit to Islam than many Eastern countries.

 

Add to this, the beauty of Islamic mysticism, which is very close to the heart of the West. Otherwise, how could Jalaluddin Rumi become America’s most popular religious poet?

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(source-islamonline)

 

 

And you’re excited about people in Indonesia and India converting? lol

 

maybe when india is mentioned you think of people who walk and shake their heads :D But it is a fact that a big percentage of america's electrical engineers are asian (indian, paki, chinese ... etc ) and dont forget the example of malysia , it compete with many european First world countries :)

 

This is a quote from an article by the writer Michael Wolf

 

Americans tend to think of their country as, at the very least, a nominally Christian nation. Didn't the Pilgrims come here for freedom to practice their Christian religion? Don't Christian values of righteousness under God, and freedom, reinforce America's democratic, capitalist ideals?

 

True enough. But there's a new religion on the block now, one that fits the current zeitgeist nicely. It's Islam.

 

Islam is the third-largest and fastest growing religious community in the United States. This is not just because of immigration. More than 50% of America's six million Muslims were born here. Statistics like these imply some basic agreement between core American values and the beliefs that Muslims hold. Americans who make the effort to look beyond popular stereotypes to learn the truth of Islam are surprised to find themselves on familiar ground.

 

Is America a Muslim nation? Here are seven reasons the answer may be yes.

 

Islam is monotheistic. Muslims worship the same God as Jews and Christians. They also revere the same prophets as Judaism and Christianity, from Abraham, the first monotheist, to Moses, the law giver and messenger of God, to Jesus--not leaving out Noah, Job, or Isaiah along the way. The concept of a Judeo-Christian tradition only came to the fore in the 1940s in America. Now, as a nation, we may be transcending it, turning to a more inclusive "Abrahamic" view. .............

 

 

the whole article ,,~Click~ here ~

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Hi Angel jan, here for ye: :bye:

 

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First:

 

"Forbidden to you are ... married women, except those whom you own as slaves." Sourat 4:23-24

 

"Not so the worshippers, who are steadfast in prayer, who set aside a due portion of their wealth for the beggar and for the deprived, who truly believe in the Day of Reckoning and dread the punishment of their Lord [...] who restrain their carnal desire (save with their wives and their slave girls, for these are lawful to them: he that lusts after other than these is a transgressor..."

 

"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."

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Second

 

FROM THE HADITH OF THE SUNAN OF ABU DAWUD, VOLUME 2, #2167:

 

Muhaririz said: "I entered the mosque and saw Abu Said al-Khudri. I sat with him and asked about withdrawing the penis (while having intercourse), Abu Said said: We went out with the Apostle of Allah on the expedition to Banu al-Mustaliq, and took some Arab women captive, and we desired the women, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, and we wanted ransom; so we intended to withdraw the penis (while having intercourse with the slave-women). But we asked ourselves: "Can we draw the penis when the apostle of Allah is among us before asking him about it?" So we asked him about it. He said, "It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.""

 

The note on 2167 says: "This means that the Companions wanted to have intercourse with the slave girls, but they were afraid of conception. In case they were pregnant and gave birth to a child they could not be sold as it was prohibited that a slave mother should be sold. So they withdrew the penis while having intercourse with them. By this they meant to sell the slave girls and obtain the ransom."

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I think I'll bring you others of course, but this one is interesting: :k

 

I verified the second in the quran online on the official Uma Online french website (it's the website of the 'Muslim' community in France), I translated the first quotes in english for you, the second one is copied. :ad

 

Well, if you don't believe me, I'll try to find more objective proofs and to indicate you as much websites as I can... :sc

 

 

Finally, I would say: just look at the talibans, coming from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and other places, these people said they interpreted litteraly Islam. And moreover, Gulf arabs are quite rich and educated, but they keep acting like savages abroad, seeking sex in every country, financing extremist muslim groups, etc... I think they just interpret their religion like any developped country does, without any restrain, so what if Islam is really not the good religion here? :blink:

But again, it's just an opinion.

 

yours :bye:

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More than 50% of America’s six million Muslims were born here.

So? A person born in a Muslim family is a Muslim. Just because they’re born in the U.S. doesn’t mean they’ve converted. What kind of a reasoning is that?

 

Muslims worship the same God as Jews and Christians.

Hummm, I don’t know. I mean how can the same God order one prophet to retaliate with sword and the other not to open his mouth under the severest kind of persecutions? In my opinion, that right there makes a huge difference between the two religions and what they are based on.

 

Angel jan, at the prophets time he faught his enemies in self-defence but after the prophet (pbuh) many ignorant muslim rulers conquerd othr countries because of their interest in power and money more than spreading islam …

Defend himself? Haha, so you’re following a man who KILLED thousands of thousands of people, shedding their blood, in "self defense"? What was he defending himself from? I’m sure it was God’s order, wasn’t it? God was sure violent back then!

 

Okay so help me understand this. Those Arab rulers back then spreading Islam by violence and brutality were ignorant. Those terrorists that attacked the world trade center killing thousands of innocent people were ignorant. The Chechen terrorists that killed hundreds of Russian middle school KIDS last year were ignorant. The ones in Iraq beheading innocent people left and right, mostly husbands and fathers, are ignorant. The ones in Sudan that tortured and raped Christians to convert them to Islam two years ago were ignorant. The ones that bombed the train in Madrid Spain, last year, killing about 200 innocent people were ignorant. And the list goes on and on. That’s a huge amount of ignorance for the followers of one specific religion, isn’t it? Specially when they justify their acts under the name of Islam. I wonder where the brutal, barbaric mentality comes from? Hummm….. :bye:

 

You said it yourself right, there are six million Muslims in America. So, after the attacks on the U.S. that killed thousands of people under the name of Islam:

 

-Why did we not see huge marches in the streets by Muslims, demanding that Islamic clerics stop this?

 

-Why do we not see the "million Muslim march" against terrorism?

 

I’ll tell you why… because many Muslims actually support this. So don’t tell me they’re doing wrong under the name of Islam, because they’re not alone. They have millions of supporters. Osama Bin Laden is literally worshiped in many countries.

(CNN) -- Almost half of all Saudis said in a poll conducted last year that they have a favorable view of Osama bin Laden's sermons and rhetoric, but fewer than 5 percent thought it was a good idea for bin Laden to rule the Arabian Peninsula.Source

 

So what I’m saying is, there is certainly something wrong with what we believe in. The reason most Muslim countries are considered Third World countries and never advance proves a hell of a lot. But unfortunately we spend too much time worrying about the West and the western culture instead of spending time to fix our own.

 

So when I hear someone say "Islam is peaceful", "Muhammad killed in self defense", "Muhammad married a little girl becaue it was tradiion", "Islam wasn't spread by sword", "terrorists don't represent Islam", etc. etc. etc. I get so :sh

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So? A person born in a Muslim family is a Muslim. Just because they’re born in the U.S. doesn’t mean they’ve converted. What kind of a reasoning is that?

its not a reasoning its a fact just like when you say islam is fasest growing religion spite of all the adverse conditions and the most hostile propaganda against it :p

ok you are trying to say all muslims in america are immigrants , one-third of african american are muslims the reason why African Americans have been drawn in such large numbers to Islam,because in islam all people are equal infront of god regardless of their race ....

 

Hummm, I don’t know. I mean how can the same God order one prophet to retaliate with sword and the other not to open his mouth under the severest kind of persecutions? In my opinion, that right there makes a huge difference between the two religions and what they are based on

 

Because their mission was different. The mission of Jesus was limited to the Children of Israel, as the Gospels themselves state it , Jesus came to teach them compassion, love and mercy. Muhammad came to strike a balance between the two ways; his mission was to complete the religion of Islam, as he was the last prophet. So in Muhammad’s teachings, you can find a blend of the Mosaic Law’s strictness and Jesus’s mercy, as well. And also Jesus' mission didn't reach the phase where Jesus was in control of a state, as was the case with Muhammad (pbuh).

 

Islam believes in all the prophets of God, before Muhammad ; and all the Books of God, before the Qur’an .No other religion does this.

 

Defend himself? Haha, so you’re following a man who KILLED thousands of thousands of people, shedding their blood, in "self defense"? What was he defending himself from? I’m sure it was God’s order, wasn’t it? God was sure violent back then!

 

LOL thats a funny girly statement :))) what do u think happens in wars ?!! people from both sides get killed ,,,, hun you seem to watch Fox news alot becarful cuz that may lead you to catch "islamophobia" read more about islams beginings plz.

Muslims are not just directed to fight. It becomes their duty to fight in certain contexts ,like when someone's sister is sexually attacked in front of him! “Resist not evil!!!” Think of it: not resisting evil, will be the greatest encouragement for evil in this wicked world.

 

Okay so help me understand this. Those Arab rulers back then spreading Islam by violence and brutality were ignorant. Those terrorists that attacked the world trade center killing thousands of innocent people were ignorant. The Chechen terrorists that killed hundreds of Russian middle school KIDS last year were ignorant. The ones in Iraq beheading innocent people left and right, mostly husbands and fathers, are ignorant. The ones in Sudan that tortured and raped Christians to convert them to Islam two years ago were ignorant. The ones that bombed the train in Madrid Spain, last year, killing about 200 innocent people were ignorant. And the list goes on and on. That’s a huge amount of ignorance for the followers of one specific religion, isn’t it? Specially when they justify their acts under the name of Islam. I wonder where the brutal, barbaric mentality comes from? Hummm…..

 

i dont like to repeat mysel but i'll answer fastly , Islam wasnt spread by violance and brutality , because islam itself is against that you have to understand not all muslims represent islam , they did selfish acts for their own advantages , and those terrorist whom you mentioned are indivisuals ,in islam its unlawful to kill anyone who is innocent , both Quran and sunnah mentions that . Hence, if any muslim kills an innocent person, that muslim has commited a grave sin, and certainly the action cannot be claimed to have been done " in the name of islam"

and those whom you mentioned in iraq and Chechan did those "cruel" acts because they are occupied by other countries and again its unrational to judge a whole nation because of the acts of some ignorants

 

and i think the reason half of saudi's suppoted bin laden after the attacks is because they are full of hate against america but when therrorist did bombings in saudi ,, those people said ooh thats haram and against islam ,,, yes there are many ignorant mentalities in the middle east and ALSO ISLAM is suffering from them but assuere you that its gona changein the next years specialy when you see the new generations of muslims in the middle east and around the world :)

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KittyCat Jan...

 

Terrorism exists....regardless of religion.

One example out of many: The clash between protestants and catholics in Ireland?

 

The only difference is news propoganda and bias whereby certain news gets more attention than others!

 

Being a muslim I don't support terrorism...and I'm not one either since you tend to believe in the equation: Terrorist=muslim.

 

And on the contrary! The muslim community in my city did a lot of protesting!! AS WELL AS ALL AROUND THE WORLD! It's just quite easy to forget to support a very slanted point-of-view. (no offense)

 

Evil exists in all religions, cultures, groups, etc. It's not the religion or culture that makes a person good or bad. A person is good or bad out of their own personal choice. It's just that people USE their religion, culture, group as an EXCUSE to SUPPORT their actions!

 

Anyways, that's my idea and my opinion...

 

and karach....I'll look up the quran but tank you. I need more time to read that.

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I always wonder, why are most Muslim countries Third World countries?  Maybe the religion and mentality of people has something to do with it?  I’m sure it does.  I mean the main reason many Muslim Arab countries as well as Iran have high GDP is because of oil, not technology and industrialization!  Why?   And you’re excited about people in Indonesia and India converting? lol

 

hey khanomi :):)

 

im gonna butt in once again, hope u dont mind! B)B)

 

what u just mentioned is not entirely true… look at Singapore, Malaysia, with predominately Muslim population… not only did they survived the Asian’s Economic Crisis in the late 90s, they have had a huge capital growth and attract lots of foreign investments… not because of oil/minerals but due to institutional arrangements and policies that have influenced growth and the efficiency of resource use. Economic growth doesn’t happen overnight… it requires careful planning and policies, a stable monetary environment, low taxes and freedom of exchange and religion doesn’t come into play at all!:)

 

I agree that most Muslim countries have a low economic growth, but so do other developing countries… it is not due to religion… corruption within the local government is the number one cause of low economic growth in these countries…

 

As a way of analogy, just because China and Soviet Unions collapsed doesn’t mean that Socialism is wrong in concept or is unachievable… look at Cuba, socialist-democratic and still going strong…. Likewise, low economic growth in many Muslim countries merely shows that corruption of leaders and the totalitarian governments that are in power in those countries holds them back from economic growth… it is the policy makers who are at fault, not the religion or culture of a particular country per se

 

Furthermore, not only the leaders and policy makers of those countries are at fault, but their struggle is the direct consequence of exploitation by the so-called developed countries and their monopoly in the market. Below market value of export commodities as well as cheap labor power play crucial rules here… The IMF (International Monitory Fund) is another factor that ironically, aids and further strengthens the discrepancy in economic growth b/w developed and undeveloped nations… [see T.Hayter "Aid as Imperialism" ]

 

Also, persistence dependency theory or “dependencia” articulates the idea for transfer of surpluses from third world countries to developed nations. [see Andre Gundre Frank, "Capitalism and Underdevelopment in Latin America" & H T Patrick “Aggressive US unilateralism”] etc

 

I don’t intend to go into details about these factors, but if u’d like me to, I’d be more than happy to do so :):) So in short, my point is that low rate of economic growth has nothing to do with religion of a certain country, but many historical and institutional factors need to be taken into account.

Peace :)

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Okay I was gonna leave this topic and never come back since I don’t agree with most things you guys say and I don’t see a point in arguing back and forth. But I couldn’t resist any longer, lol… this is a little long please bare with me. So here it goes:

 

So Shazdeh thinks corruption is the main cause not religion. And I think they’re closely related. This is why: Muslims are known to be extremists when it comes to their religion, for example, whenever they got free time they read the Quran, they hefz the soorehz, instead of doing something more productive. Hahanah anyhow…. And those corrupted governments know that! Those corrupted governments find a way through religion to fool the people and benefit themselves, and people are stupid enough to buy it.

 

For example, our own Islamic Republic of Iran. They fool people with religion… Then they say, oh the west is to blame. Funk the west, the reason the west controls us is because they're smart and we're not! We’re too busy thinking about our religion and memorizing the soorehs and what’s religiously right/wrong and how much people are converting, that we don’t realize whats happening in the world around us. Hahaha, we believe everything we read concerning our religion without even questioning it. Our buddy kimo laughed at me when I said Islam was spread by sword. Then he realized it was. Makes me wonder, he never thought about it before? It’s okay. He’s not alone, 80% of us are like him. And those governments know it. Under the name of Islam, they open paths to benefit themselves and us idiots buy it because Islam is so improtant to us and the countries become corrupted, the governments rich and the people poor. The West knows exactly what our weakness is, and they use that against us and well so far they’ve been successful at keeping us backwards. Shah was good for Iran, but we didn’t deserve him, we deserve these mullahs because well we did all those 'tazahorats' asking for 'Jomhooriye ESLAMI'… So I wanna say to all those people complaining now, you got what you asked for, deal with it! Again the West succeeded, but it was only because of our own stupidity. Why do you think Britain and the States replaced Shah with those so called religious mullahs? To keep us from advancing, you know with Shah we were improving and improving fast! So once again, they used our weak point against us and the muslim extremists that we are, we got fooled.

 

So you’re right, corruption is the main problem, but the reason behind it is Islam and how important it is to us.

 

I’m not necessarily saying that Quran is wrong, but what I’m saying it that Muslims have what I call ‘blind faith’ when it comes to religion, they don’t ask questions, they believe every crap they read about it with their eyes shut. And that’s why Muslim countries are Third World Countries. And most probably, they’ll stay that way until the end of time.

 

Oh and Khanoomi about your two example, Singapore is not even a Muslim country, only 18% of it’s population is Muslim. Buddhism and Taoism are the main religions there. So Singapore is out of question. But yes, Malaysia is doing good. But that’s only 1/26! :(

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Our buddy kimo laughed at me when I said Islam was spread by sword. Then he realized it was. Makes me wonder, he never thought about it before? It’s okay. He’s not alone, 80% of us are like him

 

first of all thax for the compliment :D im proud to be like 80% of my lovley nation :wub:

 

Second lotfan harf az khodet nazan khoshkel :), im still saying it wasnt spread by sword But by its values and ..... etc

you have many many fault ideas about islam and some funny theories :))) so shah was very good and america replaced him the mulla's !! Shah's goverment was as bad as these mulla's ... you know what were shah's barbaric savak doing to people. I believe in "may the strongest survive" and the shah was a SHIIT so he lost , one more thing yes the current goverment is currepted but in the last years the situation became better and there are more freedom than before .. ask anyone who went to iran ...

 

I'll ask you something

How do the mulla's use islam to fool people and take their money ?

I think they do that because they are in power and islam deffenetly have nothing to do with it ... Im pissed of this goverment whcih keeps people away from islam by its acts but that will change in the near future

 

so take it easy :D

 

My regards

Kimo - God bless him

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Our buddy kimo laughed at me when I said Islam was spread by sword. Then he realized it was. Makes me wonder, he never thought about it before? It’s okay. He’s not alone, 80% of us are like him

 

first of all thax for the compliment :D im proud to be like 80% of my lovley nation :wub:

Second lotfan harf az khodet nazan khoshkel :), im still saying it wasnt spread by sword But by its values and ..... etc

If I'm not mistakin' this is what YOU said:

ok i did some researsh and i was WRONG about the spreading of islam in persia :D

 

you have many many fault ideas about islam and some funny theories  :)))  so shah was very good and america replaced him the mulla's !! Shah's goverment was as bad as these mulla's ... you know what were shah's barbaric savak doing to people. I believe in "may the strongest survive" and the shah was a SHIIT so he lost , one more thing  yes the current goverment is currepted but in the last years the situation became better and there are more freedom than before .. ask anyone who went to iran ...

 

I'll ask you something

How do the mulla's use islam to fool people and take their money ?

I think they do that because they are in power and islam deffenetly have nothing to do with it ... Im pissed of this goverment whcih keeps people away from islam  by its acts but that will change in the near future

 

so take it easy :D

 

My regards

Kimo - God bless him

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Sooooo you think shah lost because he was weak? His government was as bad as mullahs? wow.... No, he loved his people enough to realized when they don't want him, it's time to go. Not like this mullahs to stand and fight and open fire on daneshjoos and attack their dorms and kill them. You know, Shah could have as easily used it's force and stay there, so don't tell me he was weak. He wasn't, he had a heart.

 

To answere your question in a simple sentence, mullahs have used Islam to simply stay in charge and have people like them because they're an Islamic Republic, meanwhile they get rich by all those oil exports and etc. and people get poor and stupider, lol. And about those corrupted govenments using Islam to benefit themselves and fool people since they know people would buy anything they say under the name of Islam, I won't repeat myself, you obviously won't get it. If it was that easy to make people understand our countries wouldn't have stayed thirld world for ever. So as I said, I won't waste a single second on this thread anymore. Stay in the dark... Again, you're not alone! ;)

 

Now go hefz those soorehs.... :D j/k

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If I'm not mistakin' this is what YOU said:
ok i did some researsh and i was WRONG about the spreading of islam in persia :D

 

naazi i said in Persia and didnt generalize ... read my post carefully ok engar ke make-up mizashti oonvaght ya chizi :D

 

Sooooo you think shah lost because he was weak? His government was as bad as mullahs? wow.... No, he loved his people enough to realized when they don't want him, it's time to go. Not like this mullahs to stand and fight and open fire on daneshjoos and attack their dorms and kill them. You know, Shah could have as easily used it's force and stay there, so don't tell me he was weak. He wasn't, he had a heart.

 

Yes he lost because he was a kitty and believe me if he could stay more he would but the Mellat were so angry that they could eat him , ask anyone who lived at that time about the barberian savak ....

 

So as I said, I won't waste a single second on this thread anymore. Stay in the dark... Again, you're not alone!

 

ohh plzzz miss condaliza just one more post for all these people :))) Im kidding

 

Now go hefz those soorehs....:D  j/k

een harfa az koja yaad gerefti :))) ok i may do that

 

My regards

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hey Kittycat joonam!! :):)

khofi khanomi? :)

 

Oopps!! :bl My inadvertent mistake about Singapore, u are absolutely right khanomi!! Shoolllyy!! :bl

 

I lovee this new post of urs and cannot say much to rebut it! :DD damnn, I love disagreeing though! Lol!! :))):)))

As I’ve said repeatedly in the past, we are indeed partially at fault that we get screwed from different directions… illiteracy/ lack of education [by which I mean independent thinking and asking questions, not a Harvard MBA], superstitious beliefs [e.g. believing in an illusionary “hell” if one questions the already established beliefs], lack of self-belief/low self-esteem [i.e. thinking that we need to be rescued by the big powerful powers] and 100 other reasons explain our current situation…

 

But plz note that we share these characteristics with the rest of the so-called "3rd world" countries, the majority of which are populated with non-muslim ppl [i.e. south America, Africa, other Asian countries, Eastern Europe etc etc]…

 

The common denominator in these countries is the corruption and lack of accountability/transparency within their local government.. I mean they are not even able to enforce the ordinary law and order and u could pretty much get away with murder by bribing the officials…

Im not sure whether it’s cause or the effect :huh: [i.e. whether economic problems forces the officials to accept bribery and corruption or whether it is the corruption that leads to low economic growth] … perhaps the latter one sounds more convincing and thus they end up repeating the same vicious cycle.. in the meanwhile the politically and economically dominant countries take advantage of their weaknesses and keep screwing them even more by interfering in the local government and preventing them from getting ahead :c :c …

I’ve posted some examples of foreign intervention in local gov before…[lol!! like cooking shows: and here's one i've prepared earlier!!lol!! :))):))) ]

 

 

http://forum.bia2.com/index.php?showtopic=...indpost&p=23759

 

 

so it is evident that throughout history, in addition to our own faults, the dominant powers have also been keeping us away from getting ahead…. The root of the problem is socio-economically related and has nothing to do with religion… it’s just too bad that ppl who happen to practice “Islam” are located in those countires–in my opinion they are not practicing the real Islam, as u mentioned they blindly follow their ancestors footsteps without contemplating their own actions- but then again most ppl in South America/ Eastern Europe are Catholic and they indeed face the same problems :c :c …

 

so the problem is not Islam per se, but the problem is embedded within ppl who delusion themselves into thinking that they are true followers of this faith, whereas in actual fact, they don’t have the slightest clue about the reality of their religion… unfortunately leaders have used this weakness throughout the time and distort the reality and manipulate it, and basically s**t all over in its name…

 

first solution in my opinion, is by educating ppl to question things, not to accept b/s and to stop worshiping the dominant powers and to start believing in themselves…

it is challenging but doable………….seriously I think it is up to us to start by informing ppl around us and spreading it through out the world… [yeah,,, let’s “save the world” :clap::clap: ] …

 

world peace :v :v

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Anyway...

World is safer without religions and surperstitious ideas...

Even in the US, the neocons are using religion as a way to dictate its policy to W.

 

So... Let's not make any difference between islam, judaism and christian religion. These are only different ways to kill, crush and destroy peoples mind and identities. No religion has ever respected mind's integrity, so as drugs, alcool and so on... So why care about the matter "if Islam has been spread by the sword or not"?

 

It has always been a religion made of violence, no matter what supposed "true" or "fake" muslims say...

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religion is a tool, it can be used as a tool to create or destroy... just like a knife, u can either kill ppl with it, or use it as a surgical tool to cure ppl and take out a tumor...it's up to us how we use it ;)

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religion is a tool, it can be used as a tool to create or destroy... just like a knife, u can either kill ppl with it, or use it as a surgical tool to cure ppl and take out a tumor...it's up to us how we use it ;)

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yep you are 100% right!!!

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awwwwwww, isnt that sweet!!! :wub: i am soooooooo impressed!!! :wub::wub:

Karach jan finally agreeing with me :wub:

awwwwwwww :wub::wub:

thanx hun!!! :dance: :dance: :dance:

 

 

 

religion is a tool, it can be used as a tool to create or destroy... just like a knife, u can either kill ppl with it, or use it as a surgical tool to cure ppl and take out a tumor...it's up to us how we use it ;)

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yep you are 100% right!!!

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miss you provoke me!!! :sh

 

It's not the matter, even if I don't agree with you, you will just behave the normal way: expose your arguments, defend them, etc... :k

And I will discuss them with you, it's not the point if that is "sweet" or something...

 

tssssss...

 

women nowadays (provocation, I agree) :haha:

 

see ya 'round

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oh yeahhhhh? pilllllllllllllllll----lizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!! that's soooo not my intention darling!! :))):))):))):))) if i wanted to provoke u, i would've tried more effective techniques... trust me, im not trying to provoke u!! why would i wanna do that? :))):))):)))

 

 

 

 

miss you provoke me!!!  :sh

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hell yeahhhhh girlfriend!! :wub::wub: we are the female version of 007, gonna save the world!! watch out everyone!! :DD :DD :DD as Mariah Carey sings "You and I must make a pact, We must bring salvation back" :))):)))

bodooo berim ke dir shod abji!! :friends::friends::friends::friends:

 

 

 

 

 

Awesome...

Stand back everyone... me and Shazdeh are going to save the world!

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I can be your coordinator and you can be my Angelz to save the world!lol :)))

 

they'll call U "Pourya's Angelz"!lol :DD :haha:

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hahaha!! :))):)))

 

Shazdeh & Kittycat to Pourya: "goodmorning Charlie "i mean..... Pourya"

Pourya: "Good morning Angels!!" :))):))):))) we've got a case that just can't wait!!! :haha: :haha: :haha:

 

 

 

 

I can be your coordinator and you can be my Angelz to save the world!lol  :)))

 

they'll call U "Pourya's Angelz"!lol  :DD  :haha:

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