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#1 samana

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 03:00 AM

I want all Iranians interested in reading this blog to spread the usefull message to as many Iranians as you can..whether abroad or inside Iran.

Okay, first let's go over the basics. Alot of people through out the world (including some of my own) mistake westernization (Which pretty much refers to American "Culture") with Modernization. This confusion leads to them becoming "Americanized", because some people supposedly think that Americanization/westernization equals Modernization... When in reality, they couldn't be more mistaken.

Americanization/Westernization equals culture, values (No matter how pathetic the values may be) and how a certian society (Mainly in America and some part of the west) runs as a whole... While Modernization is only refered to in Technological terms or advancement in technology, so you cannot call Westernization or Americanization as Modernization when these two meaning are nothing alike.... If Modernization equaled someone's specific culture and way of modern daily, then wouldn't that mean Modernization would equal Persification (Iranian/Persian culture), Since we are one of the people that have contributed emmensly to the world and the progress of humanity as a whole?

Also, keep in mind that why I say Westernization equals Americanization, is because western countries (especially in Europe) have their own culture, it is just that the stronger countries, which is the U.s, has more influence throughout the world (especially in Europe, South America, and Canada, which these continents are pretty much refered to as the west)... Even in western countries they are fighting against Americanization and bastardization of their people, identity and culture.

Further more, All westernization/Americanization brings into countries is porn, drugs, more corruption, which leads to more povery, and It's more useless than Arabization. It encourages the kids to addapt things from what ever they see in magazines and the media and pretty much creates no goals in life for kids or even adults.

It destroys the countries and peoples class, culture, traditions, values and destroys a society as whole.

Btw, when I mention that Iranians should spread this message, I DON'T mean that most Iranians are Americanized or westernized, because most are simply not, but I'm talking about the one's that are... it is the duty of every Iranian to help the one's that are culturaly lost no matter how small of a percentage they are in the Iranian/Persian communtiy abroad or back home in Iran... If we don't stop the spread of Americanization/Westernization then it will just become bigger and bigger... We must educate the simple-minded and stop these things at the source however we can in our own communities and in our own coutnry also.

So remember, Westernizing/Americanizing Iranians is as bad as Arabizing them, so keep your true persian culture and behaviour, because Modernization is different than westernization.

Just spread this simple message to any Iranian in need, again, no matter how small that number may be... IT'S YOUR DUTY!

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 07:47 AM

This is frankly underlyingly racist and it's message is contradictory and ill-informed. Much of the technological modernisation you talk of was pioneered and industrialised by Western countries and let's not also avoid the social and cultural aspects that are indeed influenced by these very technologies.

Furthermore, i would like to bring attention to the fact that this very tactic and article has been employed by certain rebellious factions within IR trying to garner support from the clergy as a gesture of assurance in the system.

I respect concerns of cultural preservation, but articles such as this are clearly abhorrant in tone and with little in the way of objectivity and civility.

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 08:04 AM

what the? how's me telling the truth and wanting to keep our true culture and identity alive racist?

Listen buddy, this "Article" couldn't have been made by islamists, because it was made by me, lol.

Further more, it is racist of them to force their westernization/americanization crap on us. They are trying to destroy our culture and you expect us to sit and do nothing? Please wake up!

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 08:30 AM

Further more, All westernization/Americanization brings into countries is porn, drugs, more corruption, which leads to more povery, and It's more useless than Arabization. It encourages the kids to addapt things from what ever they see in magazines and the media and pretty much creates no goals in life for kids or even adults.

It destroys the countries and peoples class, culture, traditions, values and destroys a society as whole.


See above, for blatant racism. Is both inconsiderate to "westerners" and arabs. You seem to deem one culture superior to others yet, deride those who insist on enforcing their culture on others under exactly the same flag.

Your truth negates civility and instead adopts a familiar line of zeal, that won't wash with the majority of people here on this forum. Here everyone is proud of their heritage,culture and iranian identity, but not at the expense of ridiculing/demonizing others.

I would strongly urge you to tone down your rhetoric and instead promote your case in a far more diplomatic and less offensive tone. Only through this will you garner respect and subsequently encourage debate.

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 09:24 AM

... Even in western countries they are fighting against Americanization and bastardization of their people, identity and culture.

Further more, All westernization/Americanization brings into countries is porn, drugs, more corruption, which leads to more povery, and It's more useless than Arabization.


Just spread this simple message to any Iranian in need, again, no matter how small that number may be... IT'S YOUR DUTY!



I have warned you before! Refrain from chauvinistic attitude and jargon! Also moralization of any kind, not to forget normatization! Such material is nothing for this forum! This will be the last warning issued!

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#6 samana

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 08:20 PM

Further more, All westernization/Americanization brings into countries is porn, drugs, more corruption, which leads to more povery, and It's more useless than Arabization. It encourages the kids to addapt things from what ever they see in magazines and the media and pretty much creates no goals in life for kids or even adults.

It destroys the countries and peoples class, culture, traditions, values and destroys a society as whole.


See above, for blatant racism. Is both inconsiderate to "westerners" and arabs. You seem to deem one culture superior to others yet, deride those who insist on enforcing their culture on others under exactly the same flag.

Your truth negates civility and instead adopts a familiar line of zeal, that won't wash with the majority of people here on this forum. Here everyone is proud of their heritage,culture and iranian identity, but not at the expense of ridiculing/demonizing others.

I would strongly urge you to tone down your rhetoric and instead promote your case in a far more diplomatic and less offensive tone. Only through this will you garner respect and subsequently encourage debate.


Why do you have to make it so Complicated for yourself? You take a simple article and try to twist it's message for your own agenda.... Seriously, some people have no lives.

First of all, of cource there are cultures superior to other cultures.... This is the truth, but the article's message is not this.

What I'm simply trying to say is that we should wake up and realize that America (Not most of the west) needs to stop shoving it's culture and mentality down countries throats, when America doesn't agree with their way of living or society.

Anyways, i wouldn't care if my culture was the worst culture in the world (Which not saying it is, but I'm just giving you an example), I would still want to keep true to my culture and live my life by my culture, BECAUSE IT IS MY CULTURE, and I'm very comfortable with it.

Btw, Iran and non-western countries aren't the only one's that believe Americanization is crap, Most Western countries are also threatened by Americanization, and believe they will face bastardization if they do not stop the influence of America.

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 02:23 AM

Why do you have to make it so Complicated for yourself? You take a simple article and try to twist it's message for your own agenda.... Seriously, some people have no lives.


I really don't understand how you can not make an argument without in some way or another be offensive! You aim and aspire to purify culture? Then start to refine your own personal culture to at least meet a civil level and social standard! Not necessarily a Western, but your own native, however you might imagine it to be! I had warned you for the last time, banned.


Since samana is no longer present I advice other members to refrain from meeting his comments.

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 04:06 PM

I'm actually trying to figure out what americanization actually means!

I do believe people, regardless of their ethnic background should remain true to where they are from and certain values are more sacred than others. I do think alot of people don't act persian or are "americanized" but it's their choice as human beings to do what they please with their lives.

If you look through history, societies have always become better by adopting certain parts of other cultures. That's how society, that's how people grow and become better than what they were before.

And there's nothing wrong with that.
Besides, what other people choose to do with their lives, how they choose to live it, and what values they wish to have is frankly no one elses business. God gave freedom of choice and we should respect that.

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 04:09 PM

I personally favor cultural eclecticism.

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 04:22 PM

I personally favor cultural eclecticism.


which is?

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 04:23 PM

the best of all cultures in unique combinations

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 04:24 PM

the best of all cultures in unique combinations


that's sort of what i said......i think.

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 04:32 PM

lol it was, thats why I agreed with you by saying what I said!lol

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 06:03 PM

I honestly don't believe that all America has to offer is porn, drugs, and other illicit materials. The United States' work ethnic is a prized virtue to have in one's country. Americans have always traditionally worked hard, although that is quickly changing. Imagine where a country in the Middle East would be if its work ethnic was as strong as the Americans. Also, I hope everyone realizes that we have negative aspects of our culture that wasn't introduced by any Western power. Our society is plagued by drug abuse, power abuses, and religiously ordained adultery known as Sigheh. Modernization does not equal Westernization and not all vices come from the West.

Edited by Name Man Namie, 23 February 2011 - 06:04 PM.





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